H: Do your clients get engaged in the shepherding of these spaces? Do they like to learn about natural cycles and biodynamics?
M: They do. Either we attract those types of clients, or as they get to know us, they gain interest in it. But in almost all our conversations in our first meetings with clients, we’re talking about where materials come from, how they age. For example, our stone we bring in from a quarry in New Mexico that we work with directly. And that relationship and sharing that story with our customers is a very special bond, one that the clients then are able to form with the material. And the same goes for the wood. I think wood is the cornerstone of OR.CA conversations.
The garden depends on us, and we depend on it. It’s a mutual reliance. It depends on us to care for it, to feed it, to oil the wood, to sand the wood. I think our clients are really interested in that and understand that they’re going to take care of this living, breathing space they have. It’s a very symbiotic relationship.
H: It’s equipoise—the place between letting something go wild completely and taming it.
M: I think we land somewhere in the middle. One of the reasons I got into landscape design is that I felt things were too controlled—don’t try to control something that by nature wants to become something else. I think that’s what really struck me: There’s an aesthetic direction and an ethos to how outdoor design can be approached.
H: And the idea of animism—of each of these living things having its own soul that shouldn’t be dominated.
M: Totally. Yeah. Oh yes.
H: It’s encouraging that you’re finding so many clients that empathize with that. Can we also talk for a moment about the philanthropic work you’ve been doing with City Slicker?
M: OR.CA has been super fortunate to have people who ask if they can do more. There’s always been a general team spirit, and we’re incredibly fortunate to have those type of people to work with. It started with volunteering, and then we began talking about the fact that it’s a privileged experience to be able to have someone design a garden. And then, for other people, a garden is for growing the food that sustains them.
I felt that if our work is with the world of design and people that have access to this luxury, we should be raising boats elsewhere, aiding access to gardening for those who can’t necessarily afford it. We have a one-to-one model: For every raised garden bed we build in an OR.CA client garden, we sponsor a garden bed to be built for City Slickers in low-income-housing neighborhoods.
City Slickers is amazing, because their program not only installs the beds and the irrigation, but they go back to the site and maintain it for two years after. They’re active with growing the food—they even take the seeds and the starters each season. It’s a very sustainable model that to me felt like a way for us to genuinely contribute to the community. It’s very aligned with what we do.
H: And I think it merits a moment to acknowledge that you are a small business and you’re still taking the time, devoting your billable hours to volunteering. There are other ways of giving back that aren’t financial.
M: I’m glad you brought up small business too, because it really was like, we have hands, we have wood, we have heartfelt people. What can we do with those three things? Being an incredibly small business—this is our second year in operation—there are very creative ways to get involved. And there are so many amazing groups in the Bay Area to partner with. That’s one of the beauties about being in this community—even our clients work on projects and nonprofits, and it’s inspiring to see what people are doing.
H: The design community, as you know, is such a supportive ecosystem, too. May I ask what you did prior to founding OR.CA?
M: I worked in organic textiles. I did creative production and art direction for ten years. My mom is a landscape contractor and designer, so OR.CA is a product of my entire life. It’s the perfect balance of what I love doing every day: raw materials, earth and land, human relationships, physical work, and composition. As it happens, landscape design honors all these things.